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Tuesday, February 16, 2010

BSA celebrates 100 years of Scouting

The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) is celebrate 100 years of Scouting. They have vowed to "continue [their] journey into the next century!" Check out the energy and excitement of their 100th Anniversary Audiocast Kick-Off Rally!

As the FRC put it, ". . . 100 years of molding boys into men worthy of respect. Despite being under relentless pressure to make their message more politically correct, the Boy Scouts have never wavered from instilling traditional values into generations of young leaders. Although the Scouts have been under fire from the Left, they continue to show the same character that the organization has developed in millions of American boys. We applaud the Boy Scouts for its commitment to faith and for serving as an example to other groups of what it means to continue stand up for the truth after years of dedicated service."

In 2001 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was the largest single sponsor of Scouting units with over 30,000 units nationwide, "more than 400,000 Mormon boys participate in church-sponsored troops, 13 percent of scouting's total". This is due to it being the Church's main program "for boys and young men ages 8-18". The church also has strong affiliations with Scouts Canada, the Scouting Associations of Australia, New Zealand, and Great Britain, and other associations in Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa. The vast majority of Latter-day Saint Scouting affiliations, however, are in the western and central United States and Canada.

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Sunday, January 31, 2010

LDS Chruch Sends Food and Medical Supplies to Haiti

The LDS Church released the following statement regarding the earthquake in Haiti:

We express our sympathy and prayers on behalf of the citizens of Haiti following the recent devastating earthquake. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is immediately shipping humanitarian relief, including personal hygiene kits and supplies for newborns. Efforts are underway to determine further humanitarian response in coordination with government and disaster relief organizations. Donations for relief efforts can be made at http://give.lds.org/emergencyresponse.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been working diligently since the disaster to provide aid to the people of Haiti through its humanitarian aid program. Hundreds of thousands of pounds of relief supplies have arrived already, and more are being shipped.

In a statement published on the Church’s official Web site, Church President Thomas S. Monson and counselors Henry B. Eyring and Dieter F. Uchtdorf appealed to church members to help the people in Haiti, noting that more aid is needed. Thanks to those donations and the efforts of the Church, three air shipments of aid provided by the Church have arrived and are being used in Haiti included a total of nearly 225,000 pounds of relief supplies. The Church provided the transportation for one of those flights, and CARE and United Airlines provided transport for the other two.

Islamic Relief USA, has donated the cost of transporting additional supplies via the Dominican Republic to Haiti, and has also been distributing clean drinking water to Haitians in Port-au-Prince. These shipments will include another 160,000 pounds of supplies donated by the Church, including medical equipment, blankets, quilts, first aid kits, water filtration bottles, wheelchairs, and special kits designed to help with newborn and hygiene needs. Pallets of supplies specially designed for orphanages will also be in the shipment.

In addtion to the supplies, a team of Latter-day Saint doctors are already on the ground in Haiti assisting in the recovery effort, and 5,000 Haitians are being sheltered at Church buildings throughout Port-au-Prince.

It reminds me of Luke 21:11 were it says "great earthquakes shall be in divers places", as being one of the signs of the Latter Days.

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Monday, December 7, 2009

LDS Chruch Presidency gives Christmas Message

The 2009 Christmas Message of the Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints, was presented on Sunday to millions around the glob.

President Thomas S. Monson reminisced about Christmases past and urged those in attendance to remember the spirit of the season saying, "Finding the real joy of the season comes not in the hurrying and the scurrying to get more done or in the purchasing of obligatory gifts,” said President Monson. “Real joy comes as we show the love and compassion inspired by the Savior of the world, who said, ‘Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these, ye have done it unto me.’"

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Sunday, November 22, 2009

Shall we partake of the "ism"'s?

A video from 1948, that at time time seemed far fetched, but today it seems to be happening:

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Monday, November 2, 2009

What is a Mormon Chapel Like?


The LDS Newsroom recently revised a message about LDS Church Meeting houses. You can even take a virtual tour of a fairly typical meeting house of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

In the article, it also gives first hand accounts of people visiting an LDS meeting for the first time.

Having grown up in the church myself, I've not had many experience out side the church, so it interesting to get a perspective from someone visiting it for the first time.

The article also mentions the 151 LDS Temples that are currently in use, are undergoing construction or have been announced. LDS Temples are not to be confused with the over 17,000 meeting houses that can be found threw out the world, and are always open to visitors looking to join in on a Sunday worship service.

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Friday, August 21, 2009

Must Babylon Fall?

I was listening to Conference Talks from October 2008, and then heard a related song by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. It made me wonder if the troubled times we keep seeing in the world today are somehow necessary or inevitable. Are they are all part of God's plan to disprove and push aside the things of the world so that Zion may rise for Christ's 1000 year reign on earth?

I put them together in this video to help others get a feeling for what made this question come to my mind:



The fall of Babylon the great has been foretold:
"Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." - Revelation 18:21

". . . which waxeth old and shall perish in Babylon, even Babylon the great, which shall fall." - D&C 1:16
However, as Babylon ripens in iniquity, a great latter-day Zion will be established:
"And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety. And there shall be gathered unto it out of every nation under heaven; and it shall be the only people that shall not be at war one with another. And it shall be said among the wicked: Let us not go up to battle against Zion, for the inhabitants of Zion are terrible; wherefore we cannot stand." - D&C 45:68–70

". . . and it shall be Zion, which shall come forth out of all the creations which I have made; and for the space of a thousand years the earth shall rest." - Moses 7:64
Though there are certainly governments and nations that seek to destroy freedom and each other; perhaps the fall of Babylon is not so much a physical destruction of governments and nations, but rather more of a spiritual destruction of wickedness in general. On the other hand, such wickedness is certain to cause some hardship and destruction:
“In prophetic imagery, Babylon is the world with all its carnality and wickedness. Babylon is the degenerate social order created by lustful men who love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. Babylon is the almighty governmental power that takes the saints of God into captivity; it is the false churches that build false temples and worship false gods; it is every false philosophy . . . that leads men away from God and salvation. Babylon is false and degenerate religion in all its forms and branches. Babylon is the communistic system that seeks to destroy the freedom of people in all nations and kingdoms; it is the Mafia and crime syndicates that murder and rob and steal; it is the secret combinations that seek for power and unrighteous dominion over the souls of men. Babylon is the promoter of pornography; it is organized crime and prostitution; it is every evil and wicked and ungodly thing in our whole social structure” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, 424).
In Revelation Chapter 8, we begin to read of the seventh seal, or the seventh thousand years of the earth’s temporal existence; known to us as the 2000 A.D. Millennium. During the early part of this period is when judgments come upon the earth in a final attempt to turn mankind’s heart to God. The earth will then be cleansed, Christ will return, and his reign will begin. (see D&C 77:12–13 for further explanation).

One interesting part from Rev. 6:12–17 is the Great Earthquake that John sees. The sun also darkens and the moon turns to blood. Stars appears to fall and the Wicked Mistake these signs for the end of the world. (See also JS—M 1:33; D&C 29:14; D&C 88:87.) Compare this to the concerns may people today are having about what will occur near the end of the year 2012, mainly due to the end of the seemly accurate Mayan Calendar. Often thought to point to a "Galactic Alignment" that some fear may spell certain doom for planet earth.

Another interesting coincidence surrounding this is the 144,000 to be sealed in Rev. 7:1–8, and how the Mayan Calendar is based on cycles of 144,000 days.

Regardless of whether or not Dec. 21st 2012 will be an eventful day or not, "see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet" (Matt. 24:6). It is true that we live in a glorious time, greater then any other time in earth's history, and "if ye are prepared ye shall not fear" (D&C 38: 30), but "Woe unto wicked! it shall be ill with him" (Isa. 3: 11).

For more study references on this topic see: Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual Chapter 35, and “Book of Revelation Overview,” Ensign, Oct 1983, 50.

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Saturday, August 1, 2009

LDS, Islamic Leaders Share Relief Efforts

LDS, Islamic leaders share relief efforts
By Scott Taylor
Deseret News
Published: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:12 p.m. MDT

"Islamic Relief USA is part of the larger Islamic Relief Worldwide family, the latter celebrating its 25th anniversary and the former being founded in 1993. Islamic Relief is one of some 1,500 officially registered non-government organizations and charitable agencies across the world with which the LDS Church partners in welfare and humanitarian efforts."
"'We know the area, we know the people — and the church had the commodities,' said Sufian, who long has been Islamic Relief's primary contact with the LDS Church. 'The church said 'Let's do it.' And they did, with no strings attached, no price tag and no attempts at conversion.'"

LDS Newsroom:

"In 2004 the Church and Islamic Relief USA worked together to fly medical supplies, hygiene kits and clothing to areas stricken by the devastating tsunami in Southeast Asia. In 2006 the two organizations worked together to provide relief to earthquake victims in Indonesia."

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Saturday, June 6, 2009

A Lesson on Priorities

I put God first, so I go to church. In church I learn that God wants me to love my neighbor and provide for my family, so I spend the rest of the week working hard to earn a living, helping my neighbors and friends, and spending what free time I have left with my family.

Do I enjoy all this hard work? Not really, it's hard after all, but I know it's what God wants and because the first and greatest commandment is to "love the Lord they God", I do it as he wants me to show him my love threw my actions.

Then I learn that my neighbor lost his job months ago, and now does nothing but live off a free ticket from the government. I think of all the help I've given him over the recent months, and wonder why he doesn't do more to help himself, or even to help me with all the stuff I can't get done because I'm too busy helping everyone else.

All the hard work I do to provide for my family, and yet I could do nothing and let my neighbors and their taxes pay for it instead. They are supposed to help me anyway aren't they? So I start to slack off and stop doing as much for everyone else. I only do what little I have to at work to get my job done, and get annoyed when asked to do more.

As this goes on, I end up getting fired and now find myself at home doing nothing but living off the government. Suddenly I realize, with nothing to do my existence is worthless. I'm no longer happy, and I no longer have the respect of my family or neighbors. I wondered, "What can I do to gain back the respect and happiness I once had in my life?". Then I read Mosiah 27:4, "That they should let no pride nor haughtiness disturb their peace; that every man should esteem his neighbor as himself, laboring with their own hands for their support." and realized the error of my ways.

While this story is fictional, the truth is that a productive life is hard work, and anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you snake oil. Not only do I believe that life is hard work, but one of the most helpful and motivational believes I have is that life is supposed to be hard work. Without it we burden our neighbors, and never learn or grow to become better and closer to our ultimate goal. If you think your job is hard, just think about how hard God's job must be trying to bless all of his children, but only being able to after they have put in the hard work and effort on their end. If God gave us all what we wanted, we wouldn't be able to find true happiness and fulfillment in our lives, but would be as spoiled children.

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Monday, May 25, 2009

Proposition 8 hits home

Proposition 8 survived the courts, but new lawsuits have already been filed that may find their way to the U.S. Supreme Court (FRC comments) where a potentially new "empathetic" judge could be waiting.

And the Homosexual agenda is being pushed in other states as well:
"New Hampshire lawmakers unexpectedly rejected a bill on [Wed May 20, 2009] that would have made the state the sixth in the United States to authorize gay marriage.

The state's Democrat-controlled House of Representatives voted down the bill in a 188-186 vote, hours after its Senate approved the legislation 14-10 along party lines. An earlier version of the bill passed the lower chamber on March 26."

- Thomson Reuters 2009
What ever happened to what I used to hear a decade or two ago; that they just wanted tolerance? It turned into a plea for so called "equal rights", and is now ending up in a demand that we give them our blessing. It's one thing to tolerate something you find contrary to your core beliefs while having empathy for those who struggle with it, but it's quite different to be required to approve of the behavior.



NARTH released a comprehensive overview of 125 years of scientific literature on this topic: "The evidence overwhelmingly refutes the claims . . . that change is impossible, attempting change is damaging, and there is no reason to change anyway, because homosexuality is harmless."


My previous comments on this issue:


The LDS Church just released a statement that It made no monitory contributions to the "ProtectMarriage.com Coalition", but did file a report showing "in-kind donations totaling $189,903.58".




I grew up in a less then idea family setting. My mother was sick, and wanted nothing to do with my father who wasted all of his savings and our livelihood to help her; only to later have no choice but to end the marriage. My brother and I were deeply affected by it. I went looking for love in all the wrong places, and my brother has had a great deal of struggles in his life; including his choice for a homosexual lifestyle. I can't say for certain if his choice is directly linked to our troubled childhoods, but I can say that he, and I, have had many difficulties in our lives that likely could have been avoided, or at least lessened, if we had been raised in a better home environment.

I've never agreed with my brothers lifestyle choice, but I have always called him my brother, and always wished I could help him in some way. I've even at times wondered if my childish behaviors towards him, when we were younger, were to blame for some of his problems, but he once told me that they didn't. I sometimes wonder if we fully understand how our childhood experiences might have affected us.

My brother has been part of a group that wants our commonly shared church to change its views on same-sex marriage; which is something our church would never do as the very idea goes against some deeply held church doctrines. It's been one of the hardest things for my brother to deal with and certainly one of the biggest areas that we disagree with each other on.

More recently I found out that one of my cousins also struggles with homosexuality, but seems to me to be dealing with it better then my brother has been (not that it's an easy thing for either of them to deal with). My cousin has an interesting statement about the issues surrounding California's Proposition 8:



While I'm certainly a supporter of traditional marriage, I've often wondered what business government has in an institution that I believe should be purely religious in nature; however, I also feel that without the few laws we currently have protecting and supporting traditional families, we would be much worse off then we already are.

In the LDS Church's publication "The Family:A Proclamation to the World" it also warns of problems that come to society when families are destoryed: ". . . we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

It's understandable to me why so many in my own and other churches see homosexuality as a great threat to traditional families and society in general, but I also hope that we don't get so caught up in any of the threats facing all of us today, that we loose sight of how important it is to have a Christ-like attitude towards our fellow men.



Was (s)he born that way? Was it environmental?

I don't know, and I don't believe focusing on those questions helps deal with the real issue. The truth is that we all have struggles in our lives; whether they are caused by environmental issues, physical traits, genetics, or even the personalities and desires of our spirits, we all have them (some more so then others).

I've heard of studies claiming to show that certain genetic traits "cause" people to be one way or another, but is that really an excuse for violent behaviors, serial killers, rapists, or even homosexual behaviors? Certainly it's clear to most of us that these things are big problems to a society trying to promote peace, tranquility, and good family values; however, is homosexuality really a problem and/or detriment to society?

In a secular society that tells us to "do what feels good" to be free and open with our sexuality and express ourselves freely, homosexuality certainly isn't going to be viewed as a problem, any more then fornication or "sleeping around" would be. So what's the problem with all of this, if everyone involved is a consenting adult?

I could argue about how more and more of our younger and younger children are being forced into knowing more and more about sex and so called "safe-sex" practices as they are bombarded by the sexual innuendos of our society as it tell us to "do what feels good", and I could talk about how pornography and disrespect for our bodies promotes many of the other socially destructive behaviors I mentioned before; however, I don't believe these arguments even being to tell the real story of what all this does to destroy our spirituality.

How does homosexuality play into all this? We'll any kind of sex out-side of marriage is called Fornication. It's a sin spelled out in black and white in the bible (see: Exodus 20:14; 1 Corinthians 6:18–20. Also see: Alma 38:12; 3 Nephi 12:27–30, and look up Chastity). So would allowing same-sex marriage fix that aspect of homosexuality so it's no longer a sin?

It might if it weren't for one other very important thing: the nature of Marrage as ordained by God (see: Gen. 2: 24, Matt. 19:4-5, 1 Cor. 11: 11, Eph. 5:31, and D&C 131:2). Marriage is clearly stated through out the bible, and other scriptures, to be between a Man and a Woman, but it's much more then that (or at least it should be). It is a convent that is also made with God. One that can lead to great happiness, not just in this life, but in the life to come. Two men together, or two women together, cannot obtain this level of exaltation. One must have a spouse of the opposite gender to truly enjoy the eternities. Why? Because this is the way families work. They will not endure the eternities in any other way.

In fact, when it really comes down it, it truly is all about family, and not just our families here on this earth, but our larger family that we are all a part of, resided over by our Father in Heaven. A family we were part of before this life as spirits, and one we will continue to be a part of after this life, if we chose so.


- We are not mere mortals trying to have spiritual experiences, rather we are spiritual beings having a mortal experience.

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Saturday, March 28, 2009

179th Annual General Conference

How would you like to go back in time and talk to one of the Prophets mentioned in the Bible? Which prophet would you want to talk to, and what would you ask him? What kind of advice could he give us today to help us with our troubled world?

Your in luck. Next week, you can have such an opportunity when the prophet of our time will address the world along with his two counselors, and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and other church leaders.

The 179th Annual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will be held on Saturday and Sunday, April 4-5, 2009.

See the broadcast schedule for worldwide broadcast times and options.



Thousands to Attend 179th Annual General Conference

"More than one hundred thousand Church members, friends and invited guests are expected to attend the 179th Annual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with millions more watching or listening to conference proceedings via television, radio, satellite and Internet broadcasts..."



Photos, News Releases and Video from General Conference

Conference talks are now available on-line.




Apostle's Ester Message Became the Top Internet Video

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Wednesday, March 18, 2009

Purpose of Mormon Temples



Sacred ceremonies - By Peggy Fletcher Stack of The Salt Lake Tribune

Just as temples were part of Christ Ancient Church, they are a part of his church today. Here's some other things that are the same in Christs True church today that were also practiced in his ancient church:

Baptism by immersion by someone having authority:
Matthew 3:13,16 - D&C 20:72-74

Living Apostles and Prophets:
Eph. 2: 19-20, Matthew 10:2-4 - D&C 21:1, Current Church Leaders

Current Revelation:
Amos 3:7 - D&C 21:5

Sacrament:
Luke 22:19-20 - D&C 20: 75

Authority From God:
Luke 9: 1-2, Mark 3: 14, Acts 1:24 - D&C 20: 2, D&C 81: 1

Performing Ordinances for the Dead:
1 Peter 3:18-20, 1 Peter 4:6, 1 Cor. 15: 29 - D&C 138:32-34

Spiritual Gifts:
1 Cor. 12: 8-11 - Moroni 10:9-19

- Posted by S.J. Hollist

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Wednesday, February 11, 2009

Jews, Muslims, and Mormons singing together

Faiths Join for Musical Tribute in Salt Lake Tabernacle - LDS Newsroom

"A children’s choir representing both the Jewish and Muslim faiths joined other performers in sharing their common beliefs during the Interfaith Musical Tribute to the Human Spirit held at the Tabernacle on Temple Square in Salt Lake City. The concert, a culminating event in a seventh annual, weeklong celebration of religious harmony and understanding sponsored by the Salt Lake Interfaith Roundtable, filled the historic building with the sounds of bells, bagpipes, drums, chants and choirs representing more than 15 faith groups and hosted by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."


"The Salt Lake Interfaith Roundtable was established in 1999, in conjunction with the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Olympic Winter Games and under the umbrella of the Olympic Charter requirements to provide “religious support for athletes and their families.”"

Full story here....

- Posted by S.J. Hollist

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Monday, January 26, 2009

Mormon Temples on Nightline

Mormons Open Doors to Discuss Religion:

"Ever since the first Mormon temple was built more than 150 years ago, they have been the subject of speculation and suspicion. The temples are imposing structures where private and sacred rituals are performed, and where outsiders are almost never welcomed.

But this week, two of the church's 12 apostles invited ABC News to tour a new temple in Utah. Elder Russell Ballard and Elder Quentin Cook, who are at the very highest level of the church, also sat down for an unprecedented interview.

"We want to be understood, not misunderstood," said Ballard, "and people are defining us in the wrong way. They're defining us without having the facts.""

Full Story here . . .

- Posted by Spaldam

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Sunday, October 26, 2008

Self Governance

I was reading an LDS produced church magazine called the Ensign, and in particular the message from Dieter F. Uchtdorf, 2nd counselor in the First Presidency, on Developing Christlike Attributes. President Uchtdorf grew up in Germany and had a career as an Airline Pilot, and as such always seems to have a good analogy between flying a plan and living correct principles, but what really caught my attention in this message was the following:

"The Prophet Joseph Smith explained, 'I teach them correct principles, and they govern themselves.'1 To me, this teaching is beautifully straightforward. As we strive to understand, internalize, and live correct gospel principles, we will become more spiritually self-reliant. The principle of spiritual self-reliance grows out of a fundamental doctrine of the Church: God has granted us agency. I believe that moral agency is one of the greatest gifts of God unto His children, next to life itself."

I've always found myself feeling the same way about government. "The best government is self-government or in other words, freedom to chose for ourselves, and understanding the natural laws [and consequences] that God has set forth." While we need good laws to help us live together in harmony, and to help route out the "bad apples", we will always be better off if we can live in such a way that we take care of each other and be respectful of others; very much like living our lives based on Christ like attributes.

Socialism, or even worse, communism, I see as direct opposites to this ideology of self governance. As "We the People" govern ourselves in such a manner as to care for one another, help each other to lift each other, and as a consequence have very little crime or poverty among us, we need and expect very little from our government. On the other hand, as we become complacent, irresponsible, or down right immoral and unrighteous in our persons and action, we find an increasingly greater need for more laws, more government subsidies and programs, and as a result we become increasingly less free and more in bondage and servitude to the government and it's laws.

How do we obtain such freedom? I hinted at this in my post on "Life's Little Influences", but I also liked what I once heard former President Hinckley (1910-2008) call it: Self Mastery. Our natural tendancy is to ask "what's in it for me" or "nobody else is doing it, so why should I?" Our time in today's busy world is made to seam increasingly more valuble, but we need to remeamber that Christ tought "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it." - Matt. 16: 25. Likewise if we give our freedom to help others, we will find it, otherwise we will loose it to an overbaring and terrantical government.

President Uchtdorf finished up his message with:
"By becoming more like the Savior, we will grow in our ability to “abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost” (Romans 15:13). We will “lay aside the things of this world, and seek for the things of a better” (D&C 25:10).

This leads me back to my aerodynamic analogy. I spoke of focusing on the basics. Christlike attributes are the basics. They are the fundamental principles that will create the wind beneath our wings. As we develop Christlike attributes in our own lives, step-by-step, they will “bear [us] up as on eagles’ wings” (D&C 124:18). Our faith in Jesus Christ will provide power and a strong forward thrust; our unwavering and active hope will provide a powerful upward lift. Both faith and hope will carry us across oceans of temptations, over mountains of afflictions, and bring us safely back to our eternal home and destination."
- Posted By S.J. Hollist

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Tuesday, September 9, 2008

An Atheist's Questions to Mormons

From: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=25462359&postID=114424765259683521


Daniel Womack has got some great answers to your questions, though I have to agree with others and say that debating these kinds of questions will not help anyone understand one bit what "Mormon's" actually believe. And I put "Mormon's" in quotes for good reason; it's a nickname. Personally I prefer to be called LDS or Latter-day Saint.

In my experience, questions like this tend to come from people looking for reasons not to believe in the Book of Mormon. Why wast your time? There's a much better way to get answer to that question; Ask God (see James 1:5).

Are LDS people really so bad that people have to go out of their way to try and put them down and produce rumors about them? Sure they may believe some things that are different from other Christens but that doesn't mean they deserve the long history of bigotry, persecution and slander they have endured.

If you truly want to know what's in the Book of Mormon from the persecutive of an individual who has taught from it, check out my blog at:

bookofmormonstories.info

Here's my personal answers to your questions:

1- Why Did Brigham Young teach the Adam-God theory in the Temple?

I've never heard of this doctrine, and I'd suspect that I would have by now if it was truly official doctrine of the LDS church. Brigham Young is often quoted by many anti-mormon individuals as having said any number of non-doctrinal things, as if they were true LDS doctrine. Some of them I've found to be made up, others I believe were his personal opinions; though I'm sure much of what he said was important and beneficial to the church. I've even seen Joseph Smith quoted to say something to the affect that a prophet is only a prophet when he is acting as such. Meaning, he's free to have his own personal options, and he's still a flawed man like the rest of us. After all, Jesus was the only truly Perfect person to ever walk the earth that I know of.

2- What is your understanding of DNA and the Book of Mormon.

If you take a bucket of water from the Ocean, and it has no fish in it, do you conclude that the ocean is void of fish?

The Book of Mormon has a number of references to many different people migrating to the lands we now know as the Americas. A few dozen recovered corpuses that pre-date Book of Mormon times, showing asian decent have been found. What does that mean to me? Nothing. It's like pulling a few people out of a crowd in China Town, New York and saying that all of New York is populated with Chinese people. It's just not a definitive test.

Another thing to remember is that the Jews in Israel were decedents from Judah, the Nephites in the Book of Mormon were descendants of Joseph; two completely different tribes of Israel, many generations away from Isreal/Jacob himself.

3- What do you think about Joseph Smith having relations with 14 year old Helen Mar Kimball without Emma knowing. This occurred after the president said Helen and her family would be saved in the afterlife for this arrangement.

I really like Daniel's answer [especially the part about how 14 year olds commonly got married in the early to mid 1800's], and I'm not sure I can improve upon it. I will say that polygamy is something that has always been a very limited practice throughout history and only performed by God's people when specifically directed to do so. There's more references to it in the Old testament (40+) then in the Book of Mormon (only 1), and I've even heard some people say that it may have been in some New Testament books, but was latter removed before making it into the a canonized form.

Another thing you might want to consider is that many of the women Joseph Smith supposedly married, actually did what's called "Sealing for the Dead" where they essentially married Joseph in the Temple, after he was dead. This was soon stopped, and now these Sealing can only be done for people who were previously married in life, but it often is used to make Joseph look like he was married way more times then he actually was while he was alive.

4- Why doesn't the translation of the Egyptian papyri found in 1967 match the text of the Book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price?

I don't know much about this claim, so I'll revert to what Daniel said. He seems to know a lot about it [because Joseph Smith did not use these papyri to translate the Book of Abraham].

5- Why do you think Book of Mormon has old English when it was originally written in "reformed Egyptian"

Because most of the people Joseph was going to teach were more familiar with the Bible's "old English" text then they were with "reformed Egyptian".

6- Why does the Book of Mormon contain King James translations and spelling errors?

I'm not sure if I completely understand this question, but I think I answered it in #5. Hopefully Daniel's answer was sufficient as well.

7- Why did Joseph Smith give African Americans the priesthood? Then years later Brigham Young took it away.

The way I heard it was that Joseph Smith asked the African Americans to not practice the priesthood he had given them, and then stopped giving it to any more of them. I've never heard that it was Brigham Young who took it away, but I could be wrong.

Try looking at it from another perspective:

The LDS church has never advocated or condoned slavery. I've heard that every slave owner who converted, was required to free their slaves.

The most convincing argument I've personally heard, and I have no idea how accurate it is (because I don't know what Gods plan was), goes like this:

Up until the 1970's both "Mormon's" and people with dark skin, endured a great deal of persecution. Being both at the same time would certainly have been very difficult in the 1800's. Perhaps the LDS church wouldn't have survived if it fully embraced those with a dark skin color because of the horrible stigma that came with it at the time. God had promised that his church in these latter days would not be taken from the earth.

It might also be helpful to point out that it wasn't about membership, but about holding the priesthood. Of course you could argue that without the priesthood, membership for a man is not much of anything in the LDS church.

8- Why are the "signs and tokens" in the LDS temple the exact same signs and tokens that the masons use. They are the same grip and even some of the same wordings.

I've never seen what the Masons do, so I really can't answer your question. I have heard the Masons are derived from people who helped build and maintain the temples in ancient times, so maybe it's really that they copied God's symbols and not the other way around. Maybe Joseph needed to be a Mason so he could learn these symbols.

Again, I really don't know the answer to this question.

9- One last kind of a hard hitting question. Do you know about the “Kinderhook plates” that are talking about in an early church newspaper?

I've never heard of them. It sounds like a rumor to me, with no real factual basis behind it.

Again, feel free to check out this blog "bookofmormonstories.info" and other blogs posted by LDS members (not those pretending to be "Mormons" or pretending to know what the "Mormon church" believes and teaches - there's technically no such thing as the "Mormon Church"). If you want the real truth, go to the real people who make up the real church, and find out how they live their lives, and what they personally believe.

- Posted By Spaldam

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Saturday, April 26, 2008

Separation of Church and State

When people think of the First Amendment to The Constitution of the United States of America they often think of words such as, “separation of church and state”, or “Freedom of Speech”, or of the press, or of religion; however one of these phrases doesn't actually show up on the First Amendment, or anywhere else in The Constitution. What it does say is:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
You can only find one other statement regarding religion within The U.S. Constitution, in Article Six, Third Clause:
“ . . . no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
Does all of this really equate to a “separation of church and state?”

On the one hand, we have a statement basically saying we cannot allow religion to be a qualifier for becoming a public servant. On the other hand, we have a statement saying we have to allow people to exercise their religion freely. They can almost be seen as contradictory to each other, but if we really look at them in context, we find that they are in fact completely unrelated.

The one that was part of the original constitution, in Article Six, is actually only in relation to the election of public officers; which it clearly says in the beginning of the Third clause, saying it relates to:
“. . . Senators and Representatives . . . Members of the several State Legislatures . . . all executive and judicial Officers . . . of the United States and of the several States . . . “
This means this clause has no relation or influence upon what goes on in our public schools, or even local city governments. In fact it is only meant to protect the election of State and Federal officers from exclusion from office due to religious understanding, religious knowledge, or even religious affiliations. It also protects them from having to prove an absence of religious beliefs, and does nothing to bar them from allowing their religious beliefs from influencing the way they deal with their position as a public officer. This is actually were The Bill of Rights comes in.

When it comes to The Bill of Rights, people often like to interpret it by quoting the “founding fathers”; however, this is inappropriate because the Bill of Rights was actually passed many years after the founding fathers had written The U.S. Constitution and established The United States of America. In fact many of the founding fathers were in opposition to the Bill of Rights because they didn’t like how it limited the powers of the federal government. That’s right, some of the founding fathers wanted a stronger federal government with weaker states rights; however the Bill of Rights won out to become a protection for the rights of the States and the people (see Amendment 9 and 10 specifically).

As part of this protection of state and personally freedoms, we were actually guaranteed (or at least we should be) protection from the Federal government from passing any laws that would either favor or discourage any specific religion. It also insures the individual the free exercise of their religious beliefs. Just as important, in this same amendment, you’ll find the insurance of our freedom to speak; including about our religious beliefs, so if someone says they are offended by what you are saying, I suggest telling them you are offended by their lack of respect for your right to speech. After all, your right to speech is protected, and you actually have no constitutional protection from being offended.

In fact your rights to free speech only ends when it starts to endanger the life or livelihood of another, so before you go off and start yelling and screaming threw the streets all kind of profanities in the middle of the night, keep in mind that the ability to speak does not require yelling and screaming or even offensive language. It also doesn’t mean you have a right to disturbed the peace, say things that prevent others from exercising their rights, nor does it give you a free pass to cause panic or tyranny within or towards others.

The real question at this point is were did the words “separation of church and state” come from in the first place, and why it is becoming so easily used today to prevent our kids from having a religious influence on them within our public schools; while at the same time it’s becoming so much harder to keep kids in public schools in line and under control. That phrase has been used to prevent praying in schools, talking about the social and historical significance of many religious influences and texts within our schools, from exploring alternate theories to many scientific ideas, and even to prevent our kids from taking part in reciting a pledge that helps instill a sense of national unity and pride.

So where did it actually come from? It’s not in The Constitution, it’s not in any laws that I’m aware of, and if it were, I would consider it to be an unconstitutional law. The truth is that those words were actually derived from, though not actually a part of, of a United States Supreme Court ruling made in 1947 In the case of Everson v. Board of Education. As part of the ruling, Justice Hugo Black gave his interpretation of the First Amendment, saying:

“The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach.”

Although this statement is very strongly worded, much more so then I can agree with, the actual ruling was only meant to prevent any aid or benefit to a religion from governmental actions, a sentiment that I actually agree with; unless the benefit is equally and easily available to all religions, such as allowing tax exemption for religious establishments based on their non-profit status.

Unfortunately this statement has since been abbreviated into the phrase “Separation of Church and State” and taken to also mean that government cannot get any aid or benefit from any religious actions; which is something I completely disagree with, and for which there is no supporting evidence of within The Constitution. In fact I believe the constitution says just the opposite, as preventing a religious action from taking place within government would actually be preventing the free exercise of religion; something very specifically protected within the First Amendment.

Please note, I said “religious action”, not “religious organization”. While I see no problem with personal religious actions within government, and have shown how those actions are constitutionally protected, there however is no place for any organization, religious or otherwise, to be taking actions within the government. Such actions are the soul responsibility of the officials who were elected by the people they represent, and relinquishing those responsibilities to any organization or unelected persons, I would see as being a treasonous act.

If religion truly was not allowed to be involved in government, then why have so many presidents sworn the oath of office, to protect The Constitution, while laying their hand on a copy of The Bible? Why then does The Constitution actually have references to religious beliefs? The Constitution even acknowledges Sunday as a day of rest in the Article One, Section Seven:

"If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law . . .”

The Constitution also has a reference to the Lord Jesus Christ as found in Article Seven just prior to the signatures:

“ . . . in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven . . ."

The Declaration of Independence is even more obvious in it’s declaration of a God, especially in the first and second paragraphs where it says:

“ . . . to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them. . .”
“ . . . [men] are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights. . .”

[For full text see: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/charters.html]

Certainly without the declaration of independence there would be no Constitution, and as such it is vitally important to acknowledge The Declaration of Independence as a sort of moral code of The United States of America. It is in fact the very justification for the very existence of The United States of America.

While it is important that we do not allow our government to get involved in our religions, it is important that we acknowledge the roll God should have within our government. It certainly shouldn’t be an overbearing roll, but we are a nation based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, with many laws based on the ten commandments, and the further we get away from those values, the closer we get to a divided and dysfunctional nation.

We do, however, need to be fair in our public dealing with religion. As such I do not believe it is appropriate for any organization, including religious, to be heavily involved in a public school system. On the other hand I certainly wouldn’t turn down any charitable donations meant to help enhance the educational experience, such as a donation of supplies or equipment, but I would probably turn down a truckload of books or manuals that were specific only to religious teachings. I wouldn’t turn down volunteers just because of their religious affiliations, and would allow students to take a regularly designated class period off for religious reasons.

More importantly, however, is that students should be allowed to pray, mediate, or recite their favorite list of beliefs while in school if they choose to do so at appropriate times; such expressions are after all protected by the First Amendments “Freedom of Speech” clause. What I wouldn’t allow is for such practices to interfere with the classroom instruction, but I would like to see public schools teaching theories of Creationism when theories of Evolution are presented; as well as seeing Social Studies and History classes including factual information on all major religions and their roles in society and history.

I would like to see Congress and other governing bodies, offering a prayer before every meeting so that they may lead in ways that will best benefit us the people, allow us to prosper, along with helping other nations to do the same. But most importantly I would like to see the increasing pattern of religious bigotry and hatred stopped. If you are offended by it, then I suggest you try remembering that the Constitution does not protect you from offense, but it does protect your right to talk about it, just as it protects the right of those offensive words to be said.

- Posted By Seth Hollist

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